61-79-list-digest Wednesday, May 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 313



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - 160 degree t-stats and radials
RE: FTE 61-79 - switching out my distributor
> Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Mounts To Put A 302 in A 66 6 Cyl
FTE 61-79 - Wheels/ tires and parts for sale
FTE 61-79 - FEs - now Motor Mounts
FTE 61-79 - Possible engine swap FE -> 385
FTE 61-79 - Brazilian Fords/1957-1967 Ford Pickups
RE: FTE 61-79 - silliness..
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re; F100 Overheating
FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 Ken's Gold
Re: FTE 61-79 - 160 degree t-stats and radials
Re: FTE 61-79 - Brazilian Fords/1957-1967 Ford Pickups
Re: FTE 61-79 - Carbs
FTE 61-79 - Clutch Chatter
Re: FTE 61-79 - Possible engine swap FE -> 385
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 Ken's Gold
FTE 61-79 - virtual motors
FTE 61-79 - A message from Stu
Re: FTE 61-79 - virtual motors
FTE 61-79 - DISC BRAKE CONVERSION F350
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Possible engine swap FE -> 385
FTE 61-79 - RE: 68 F-250
FTE 61-79 - RE: Oil Drain Plug 68 F-250
FTE 61-79 - mixed tires
> Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together
FTE 61-79 - Junk Yard A C install?????
FTE 61-79 - 1963 front disks anyone???
FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake light update

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:28:31 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 160 degree t-stats and radials

> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:06:12 -0500
> From: "John LaGrone"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 160 degree t-stats and radials

> Someone asked why they make them. In the good old days before smog
> > control, that was the most comon flavor. In order to reduce unburned
> hydrocarbons sooner, thermostat temps were raised. Generally, the

That was me. I think you may be right about that now that I think
about it. The solution may just be a higher pressure cap in most
cases but engines run better at the higher temps too if they are set
up for it. The 60's vintage may fare better if run cooler but after
about 73 you need more than 160 or they won't run as well.

> One other characteristic of radial tires. They maintain traction
> better, but when they let go as in a sideways skid, they lose it
> without warning and tend to roll off of the wheel whereas bias tires
> > are better about plain old sliding and squalling.

This is an old problem which I understand has been fixed, at least
improved on so that it's no quite so apparent.

> Why are you not supposed to rotate radials from one side of the
> vehicle to the other?

Again this was an old engineering problem that has been resolved for
many years. Some off road tires still say to keep them on the same
side due to tread pattern and the installer has to mount them
correctly as well.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:29:39 -0700
From: "Gillespie, John D."
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - switching out my distributor
>
Chuy, again like everyone else has said; take your time and DON'T let anyone
else around while your are doing your set up even the SWMBO unless she has
already done a swapout or engine rebuild (-64Falcon V8 eons ago).

I am going to South Texas for about a week, as soon as I get
back I will be putting in the new "electronic" distributor in my
truck
and I will let you all know how it goes.

South Texas from where your at that's not very far. Ooops Forgot where TAMU
actually was.. Enjoy the fishing or whatever.....
John

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:32:57 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Mounts To Put A 302 in A 66 6 Cyl

At 03:19 PM 5/27/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I just subscribed, so plese forgive me if I'm asking an obvious question
here.
>
>What engine mounts do I need to put a late model 302 in a 66 F100? My
plan is
>to put a late model Mustang HO EFI engine with AOD in my 66 truck. It looks
>to me like 302 mounts for a 69 F100 would do the job. Is that right?
>
>
>Thanks,
>Don Haulsee
>Richmond, Va.

Don, the frame widths from 65-72 are the same so you should be
able to use them with no problems.

Ken


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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:38:43 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wheels/ tires and parts for sale

All parts from 79, F-250. Tires/ wheels are from 1/2 ton.

Most body parts are trashed/rusted-Drivers door seems OK
Interior is red, no air.
I'm keeping:
8 lug front setup, brakes, and axle shafts, cept locking hubs.
Rear axle.
C-6 and hardware to convert from man trans to auto including any TC
adapters
Wheels and tires
> Carb
Brake booster and mast cyl.

Chrome front winch bumper-150$
Chrome rear step/hitch bump (matches front)-100$
Dana 44, 4.10 gear set (with bearings, shims and open diff if you want
them)-50$
AC radiator, new core, -90$
Edlb, non-EGR perf man for 351M/400- 90$
351M/400 distr.-30$
351M long block- runs good, make offer
Front driveshaft-50$
Rear drievshaft-50$
Front springs-25$
Rear springs-25$
Dana 60 rear, 3.54 ratio-100$ (I'm keeping 4.10 dana 60)
NP205 Trans case-100$
Steering box-30$
Chrome valve covers and chrome push in breathers (2)-30$
9", K&N, Chrome air cleaner, some surface rust-15$
Chrome dana 44 rear end cover-15$
Bed liner-50$
Black Grant GT steer wheel-20$
Sliding rear window, alum, no latch-25$
PS pump-10$
Want premium locking hubs, dana 44-40$.

OR all for 700$

79 F250 4 X 4 frame and cab, some floor rot pass side, free after I get
what I need.

4 tires/rims, 32 X 12.5, X 15 (3 BFG AT, one Bridgestone AT) on flat
black primered, 15 X 8, factory 78 Bronco wagon wheels (5 lug).
Can have tires mounted or unmounted if you want to paint them-
have bald, but air containing 32" spare on 15 X 6 steel rim-175$

4 tires/rims, 35 X 12.5 X 15 (2 BFG AT-one new, 2 BFG MT) on 15 X 10
chrome modular with moroso alum center caps. Also have extra rim for
spare-350$


I'm in central Jersey.

OX
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:57:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Koster
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FEs - now Motor Mounts

Guys,

you've got me all in a twist now. I'm putting a 61 390 (out of a car)
into a 1963 truck.

I've had two opinions on this so far. One says to buy the V8 motor
mounts for the year of the truck (was 272). The other says to buy the
motor mounts that fit the engine (out of a 61 thunderbird).

Which is it?



Dan




> Bill Ballinger writes:>>Didn't they change the width of the thrust
bearing
> somewhere about '63-'64?

The motor mounts
> were changed somewhat in the time frame you are speaking of. I
thought it
> was '67, but that could very well be wrong, and is if you know that
the
> pre/post 64's were different.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.

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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:03:24 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Possible engine swap FE -> 385

As you know because I talk about it everyday, I have just bought a '68
F-250 w/360 FE and C6. The engine hasn't run in at least 10 years but I
fired it up on Saturday. Well it doesn't have compression for squat (might
get better if it runs more, don't know yet) and the timing chain is real
loose. Since the 360 was not a real powerhouse to begin with, I question
whether this engine is worth the investment. If I find the rear seal
leaking (very likely after so many years sitting) then it has to go.

So I am already dreaming about what to put in it's place. As this truck is
going to serve as my tractor, I want as big a motor as I can get. So I am
thinking 385-series unless a good 390 or 428 falls in my lap. Right now I
see way more folks selling 460s and a few 429s.

Finally, the question: What can I expect as far as hassle factor to
replace the FE with a 385 motor? I guess my only real concern is the motor
mounts. I already know the C6 will bolt up, the exhaust is shot anyway,
but will I need different frame mounts, different motor mounts, or neither?
Accessory brackets are only alternator and A/C so I'll just try to get a
motor with that stuff already in place. Is there anything else I need to
be aware of when contemplating this?

Also, are there specific years to get or stay away from when looking for a
429 or 460? I just want something running that I can drop in as is. TIA.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:03:27 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brazilian Fords/1957-1967 Ford Pickups

> If anyone's interested in this book, here's the details:
>
>Ford Pickups 1957-1967
>Author: Paul McLaughlin
>ISBN#0-87938-385-2
>Published by Motorbooks International Publishers & Wholesalers
>
If anyone finds this book, PLEASE let me know because I have tried and
found it to be out of print. I want one to replace the one somebody lost
for me! Feel free to email me direct on it, too. TIA.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:05:05 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - silliness..

At 10:49 AM 5/27/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Hey Steve now THAT is definitely FTE relevant and I do like it. Besides how
>else are we going learn all these new fangled computer programs.
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/truck/ftezone2.jpg

Thanks John! I figured that was a scene likely to be found along
one of the roads to Pigeon Forge. Sure wish I could have gone...

Steve

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"When you stop learning, stop listening, stop looking
and asking questions, always new questions,
then it is time to die." -- Lillian Smith

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:05:06 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re; F100 Overheating

>> I've got a 160 thermostat and the radiator never gets above that.
>
>160 is too cold. (IMNSHO) I can't even imagine why they make them??
> You won't get good performance and economy keeping it that cold
>unless you run pure hydrogen for fuel IMHO and the internal parts
> >will never quite get fully expanded to achieve the correct
>relationships (clearances) so more engine wear will be likely.

I heartily agree that 160 is much to cold for good performance or
economy and also accelerates engine wear. There's a reason that most
OEM's are currently using thermos in the 185+ range!
Higher coolant temps promote better efficiency and lower engine wear IF
You can keep the coolant from boiling and IF You can keep the oil temps
from getting to high...
I run a 195 thermo in my FE390 with a good stock radiator and electric fans
and it never overheats even under prolonged idling on the nastiest hot days.


Steve

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and asking questions, always new questions,
then it is time to die." -- Lillian Smith

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 17:05:03 +0000
From: tfmf211 murphyfarms.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 Ken's Gold

Ken,

I just finished up on pulling Stu's old A/C apart. I put in a new heater
core and blower motor. I figured since the unit was out I'd replace
anything on the interior that may go bad. I don't want to go into this
thing again. I hope to have the unit installed by this weekend and
ready to go to the shop to have the unit purged and charged with
R-12. I checked into the R-134 conversion. Everything should work
but has a higher head pressure that R-12. Also, the molecular
structure of the R-134 is a lot smaller that R-12. What I was told, was
that a non-leaking R-12 system may not even be able to hold R-134
due to leaks. If you have the old type A/C hoses, be very careful.
They are expensive to replace. I just spent $223 to have new ones
made. They're nice, but OUCH!!

I don't know if yours had A/C before or not. You may want to check the
bolt hole configuration on the fire wall. My old heater unit had 3 bolts
holding it on the firewall. The A/C unit has two bolts for the lip of the
dash and 2 bolt through the firewall. Looking at the firewall from in fron=
t
of the truck the left hole that was used with the heater lined up. The=20
right
didn't exist. But....., there is a dimple about 1-1/2" down from the top
right bolt hole for the old heater unit. Drill that out and it should line=
=20
up
with the unit. Mine came out of Stu's '71 and has '67 and '68 part numbers
all through it. I believe they will be the same.

I hope this helps some.

Enjoyed meeting you, Peggy and all the other FTE folks at Pigeon Forge.
I can't believe that guy sold my manifold at 2:30 am. Oh well, I'll keep=20
looking!

Azie, I think you know what color necks are around Chinquapin!

Later,

-Ted
______________
>Ken
>
>When you get your A/C unit don't overlook the pulley set up. You might
>need the crank pulley and the one that I missed, the power steering pulley.
>It's different on non A/C vs one with A/C. Had to drive back about a hour
>each way for that one!!!!
>
>Later
>Steve
>Calgary,
>

I've already got the two belt pulley on mine so I won't have
to worry about it. Glad you mentioned it though so I can make
sure its all there!

Ken

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:17:47 GMT
From: wayside cyberhighway.net (Rob Patelke)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 160 degree t-stats and radials

On Wed, 27 May 1998 15:06:12 -0500, you wrote:

>Why are you not supposed to rotate radials from one side of the vehicle =
to
>the other?
>
I had a set of radial snow tires back in the 70's that probably were
flipped side to side; both of failed the same way- the sidewalls split
catastrophically.

Rob
'71 F100, 360 4Spd "The Old One"
'78 F250, 4X4 400 C6 "The Brick"
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:26:34 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Brazilian Fords/1957-1967 Ford Pickups

According to amazon ( www.amazon.com ) it's out of print but they will
search their "network" of used bookstores for it if you ask. You might want
to try. Good luck.

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> From: John Strauss
> To: Ford Trucks List
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brazilian Fords/1957-1967 Ford Pickups
> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 2:03 PM
>
> > If anyone's interested in this book, here's the details:
> >
> >Ford Pickups 1957-1967
....

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