80-96-list-digest Tuesday, July 7 1998 Volume 02 : Number 234



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Oops, still trying to add cruise
FTE 80-96 - RE:Key Locks/add a leaf
FTE 80-96 - '86 Ranger 29.l efi - still running rich
Re: FTE 80-96 - '86 Ranger 29.l efi - still running rich
FTE 80-96 - Timing and Mileage
Re: FTE 80-96 - Timing Pinging
Re: FTE 80-96 - Oops, still trying to add cruise
RE: FTE 80-96 - Fuel injector cleaner
RE: FTE 80-96 - Fuel injector cleaner
RE: FTE 80-96 - Oops, still trying to add cruise
FTE 80-96 - RE: 5 Speed in 1985?
RE: FTE 80-96 - Fuel injector cleaner
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Weird additives
Re: FTE 80-96 - Timing Pinging
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Weird additives
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: 5 Speed in 1985?
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: 5 Speed in 1985?
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Expanded products page, 100s of items
FTE 80-96 - FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Forgot the URL!
Re: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96-95 Bronco Speedo noise

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 08:39:18 -0400
From: "C. E. White"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Oops, still trying to add cruise

When I bought my 1992 F150, it did not have cruise. I purchased the Ford
add-on cruise unit. It installed easily. It uses the factory speed sensor,
but does not use the factory computer. Instead it has its own controller.
The kit also included a stalk to add to the side of the steering column
cover. There was a template to show you where to add it. It sort of looks
like a factory unit and works like one. It cost a little more than buying
one from Pep Boys or JC Whitney, but I think it was a better quality unit
and it did use the factory speed sensor. It also included a vacuum
reservoir to add to the system.

Regards,

Ed
>
Troy Williams wrote:

> On 30 Jun 98, at 16:36, Ron Madurski wrote:
>
> >My question is whether there are different steering wheels for
> >cruise/non-cruise trucks?
>
> Yes. The trucks with cruise have the controls built into the wheel, I
> haven't seen a single one of them that has it on the side like some
> of the little japs.
>
> You might be a redneck if... Your truck is insured by Smith &
> Wesson. - Jeff Foxworthy
>
> Troy Williams
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 08:20:02 -0600
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE:Key Locks/add a leaf

I'm not sure to which rivet you are referring, I assume it is in the
center of the pack. My leaf pack was held together with a bolt in the
center. The bolt had a pointy head that dropped into a hole in the
spring mount and centered the spring. The head was smooth and you have
to grab it with a big vice grips to keep it from turning while removing
the nut. Both add-a-leaf installations I've done, 95 F-250 and 83 S-10,
were this way. If your leaf pack is riveted I'd try a grinder first.
If you use a torch be very careful, you don't want to overheat the
spring. Replace the rivet with a bolt with a head that will fit the
centering hole. I used a grade 8 cap screw on the S-10, that way I
could grab it with an Allen wrench. Be sure you clamp the spring pack
together with C-clamps before releasing the tension on the center
bolt/rivet.

Larry

>Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 14:31:20 -0800
>From: Casey Vandor
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Key Locks/add a leaf

>My two key locks just got here yesterday. Someone on the list bought a
>set of two for $18.00 I believe it was, annyway, mine were $35.00 from
>Ford. Scam city....

> Larry, got a question here. How do you get the rivet out of the
>leaf pack? I have dulled up two diamond bits and don't have a
>sharpener. Do you have to torch it out or what?

>Thanks
>Casey Vandor

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:36:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: Bob Johnson
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '86 Ranger 29.l efi - still running rich

Thanks to all who sent advice regarding my '86 Ranger. Symptoms: high and
low speed miss, black smoke out exhaust, will sometimes stall when coming to
a stop. I checked the O2 sensor, and found all 3 wires damaged, so I
replaced it - but no improvement in drivability. Have run several tanks with
injector cleaner - no effect. Mileage is relatively poor - about 15 mostly
highway mpg. Seat of the pants says it's getting worse.

Feels a lot like one of my motorcycles in the rain, when I could see the
spark leaking from a wet spark plug boot - misses, then runs ok, then misses
some more. I don't think this is moisture related - no rain here in north
Texas in a long time - hot and dry. I did clean the engine a few weeks ago,
however - degreaser and water. Should I look for moisture in the
distributor? Replace the ignition wires? Plugs? Will take it in to the shop
on Wednesday for diagnosis if no one has a better idea re: what to check
and/or replace next.

Any advice will be appreciated. TIA.

Bob
'86 Ranger SC XLT 2.9l efi
'80 F-250 Custom 300 I-6, 3 speed

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 09:42:52 -0600
From: "David Sagers"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '86 Ranger 29.l efi - still running rich

By all means, pull the distributor cap off and stuff a paper towel or rag =
up in the cap to clean out any moisture. =20

I once heard that you could also spray WD-40 or some other type of water =
resistance spray inside the cap to keep moisture out. I've never used the =
spray and would recommend against it until you are really sure of the =
correct type to use. =20

In any event wipe out the inside of the cap and check all plug wires, =
finally, inside a dark garage or after dark tonight, lift the hood and =
have someone rev the engine and watch for stray sparks from broken or =
loose plug wires.


>>> Bob Johnson 07/06 8:36 AM >>>
Thanks to all who sent advice regarding my '86 Ranger. Symptoms: high and
low speed miss, black smoke out exhaust, will sometimes stall when coming =
to
a stop. I checked the O2 sensor, and found all 3 wires damaged, so I
replaced it - but no improvement in drivability. Have run several tanks =
with
injector cleaner - no effect. Mileage is relatively poor - about 15 mostly
highway mpg. Seat of the pants says it's getting worse.

Feels a lot like one of my motorcycles in the rain, when I could see the
spark leaking from a wet spark plug boot - misses, then runs ok, then =
misses
some more. I don't think this is moisture related - no rain here in north
Texas in a long time - hot and dry. I did clean the engine a few weeks =
ago,
however - degreaser and water. Should I look for moisture in the
distributor? Replace the ignition wires? Plugs? Will take it in to the =
shop
on Wednesday for diagnosis if no one has a better idea re: what to check
and/or replace next.

Any advice will be appreciated. TIA.

Bob
'86 Ranger SC XLT 2.9l efi
'80 F-250 Custom 300 I-6, 3 speed

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 13:18:17 -0700
From: Rene Poulin
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Timing and Mileage

Hi All

I have a 84 F150 with a 300 engine. I have hooked up a vacuum gauge
permanently to the intake manifold to give me an idea of how much fuel I
am using at any given time. I found recommendations elswhere ont the
net about advancing the timing anywhere from 2-10 degrees from factory
specs to improve performance and mileage. So far it seems to work The
vacuum gauge indicates at least 30% less fuel consumed at cruising speed
and there is definetly more power. I am just about to go on a long trip
and will keep track of actual mileage obtained. Anyone else fooled with
the timing on their motors?

Rene
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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 14:51:35 -0600
From: "David Sagers"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Timing Pinging

I have a 1989 460 gas engine and unless I use the mid-grade (or even high =
octane premium on really hot days) the engines pings. At 10 - 12 mph this =
adds a lot of money to the fuel bill.

Anyone have a fix? Will adjusting timing or adjusting the fuel injection =
make a difference? =20

I figure I can put more fuel in the engine by using an adjustable fuel =
pressure regulator and bumpimg the pressure up a few pounds.

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:50:13 -0400
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Oops, still trying to add cruise

On 6 Jul 98, at 8:39, C. E. White wrote:

>When I bought my 1992 F150, it did not have cruise. I purchased the Ford
>add-on cruise unit. It installed easily. It uses the factory speed sensor,
>but does not use the factory computer. Instead it has its own controller.
>The kit also included a stalk to add to the side of the steering column
>cover. There was a template to show you where to add it. It sort of looks
>like a factory unit and works like one. It cost a little more than buying
>one from Pep Boys or JC Whitney, but I think it was a better quality unit
>and it did use the factory speed sensor. It also included a vacuum
>reservoir to add to the system.

They asked about the steering wheel though. We've got an '84 and
an '86. The '84 doesn't have cruise, it doesn't have the controls on
the wheel, the '86 does have cruise and it has the controls. I don't
think you would be able to add one to it either, but then I am not
sure...

If you can use the stalk out of the side, then it'll work, I think a lot
of the GM's and then the imports do that.

You might be a redneck if... The dishwasher and your wife are
one and the same. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:50:13 -0400
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Fuel injector cleaner

On 5 Jul 98, at 12:04, Ken Payne wrote:

>This trick has been used for years and seems to work well. Tranny
>fluid is slightly acidic and will clean out stuff pretty good. Although
>I've seen "gunk" on a tranny pan before, I've never seen varnish or gunk
>buildup in a tranny unless it was burnt up. An even better thing to use
>is Marvel Mystery Oil. Its one heck of a solvent thats been used for this
>type of stuff for longer than most of us have been alive. It isn't a snake
>oil/cure-all that Snake 50, Duraboob, Motorchump, etc. claim to be, its
>just a good cleaner/solvent. Its the best thing I've heard of for freeing
>stuck lifters too.

Oh, thanks for the help. I will go ahead and use the tranny fluid
then. I've got enough of it on hand. :) I guess I will start
putting it in wiht a full tank every six months or so. If it will save
me some money instead of having to buy something else, I will go
with that route :) I just wanted to make sure it wouldn't cause any
problems later.

You might be a redneck if... People are scared to touch your
bathrobe. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:18:39 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Fuel injector cleaner

At 05:50 PM 7/6/98 -0400, you wrote:
>On 5 Jul 98, at 12:04, Ken Payne wrote:
>
>>This trick has been used for years and seems to work well. Tranny
>>fluid is slightly acidic and will clean out stuff pretty good. Although
>>I've seen "gunk" on a tranny pan before, I've never seen varnish or gunk
>>buildup in a tranny unless it was burnt up. An even better thing to use
>>is Marvel Mystery Oil. Its one heck of a solvent thats been used for this
>>type of stuff for longer than most of us have been alive. It isn't a snake
>>oil/cure-all that Snake 50, Duraboob, Motorchump, etc. claim to be, its
>>just a good cleaner/solvent. Its the best thing I've heard of for freeing
>>stuck lifters too.
>
>Oh, thanks for the help. I will go ahead and use the tranny fluid
>then. I've got enough of it on hand. :) I guess I will start
>putting it in wiht a full tank every six months or so. If it will save....

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