97up-list-digest Friday, June 19 1998 Volume 01 : Number 123
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In this issue:
FTE 97up - Re: service manual
FTE 97up - Vibrations and Driveline Probs
FTE 97up - Rebates????
FTE 97up - Super Duty Vacuum
Brakes
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Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Vacuum Brakes
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FTE 97up - Slide in campers on 99s
FTE 97up - Re: FTE 97up-97up questions
FTE 97up - Performance
Re: FTE 97up - Performance
Re: FTE 97up - Slide in campers on 99s
Re: FTE 97up - Rebates????
Re: FTE 97up - "99 Model Changes
FTE 97up - Slide in Campers
Re: FTE 97up - Slide in Campers
Re: FTE 97up - Performance
Re: FTE 97up - Slide in campers on 99s
FTE 97up - New Owner
Re: FTE 97up - New Owner
Re: FTE 97up - Rebates????
Re: FTE 97up - Re: FTE 97up-97up questions
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:49:20 GMT
From: "Russell A. Hunter"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: service manual
>Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:52:11 -0700
>From: Russell Trahan
>Subject: FTE 97up - Re: service manual
>
>>
>> They have a web page at:
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>> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.helminc.com/
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>
>Thanks for the help on the service manual question. I e-mailed
>Helm and they responded today..... $180.00 for the service manual!
>I am not sure if that is a complete set of all the service info or not.
>
>I did not realize they were that expensive.
I think they increased when the 97's came out. My father bought a set for
his 91 F150 and they weren't that much.
As far as completeness of the set, maybe someone else can answer that. Ford
used to offer the service manual for a vehicle and you could also buy an
emissions control manual which covered all models for a year at about $100.
It was about a foot thick and had the diagnostic procedures for the EEC
systems in it. With the price they get for the manual now, I wonder if
they've combined the two manuals. Does anyone know?
Russell A. Hunter
rahunter traveller.com
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:27:09 +0000
From: 1ß
Subject: FTE 97up - Vibrations and Driveline Probs
I too am having vibration and driveline problems. I have 5000 kms on the
truck and am on my second manual tranny. Tranny number 1 vibrated and
rattled in 3rd gear through the stick and 5th gear on the highway
through the go pedal. A Ford engineer from the Ontario truck plant drove
the truck and told the dealer to replace the tranny.
Tranny number 2 is exactly the same, which would make me believe that
something else in the drivetrain is causing the prob, but Ford and the
dealer insist its the tranny. Mazda has 14 units with the same problem
that they are currently investigating, Dealer told me two give them 2
months to find a solution or Ford will replace the truck, Ill let you
know what happens.
Simon Robson
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:47:52 +0200
From: "Parnell, John"
Subject: FTE 97up - Rebates????
To Nathan Bernard.
Last night I bought a 1998 Explorer and they applied the $500 owner
loyalty rebate. But by paying cash should I not also receive the $1250
rebate in lieu of the 0.9% financing? Thank you for your reply.
Regards, John
john.parnell solvay.com
This means that you can get the $500 owner loyalty rebate or the 0.9%
APR or $1250 rebate.
Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 05:59:09 -0700
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Vacuum Brakes
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Do all 99 SD gas that have vacuum brake booster (450 & up have hydraulic)
have an excessively "hard"
brake pedal or is mine defective?
Is it my mistake, or did Ford brochure avail in Feb advertise all SD
had "hydro-vac" brakes?
Is there any industry (or Federal) spec as to how much pedal force
should be reqd?
Lee Haefele
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:39:14 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Vacuum
Brakes
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I test drove a 250 and a 350 and didn't think the pedal felt at all hard. Mine ( a
250) is do in next week, I'll let you know what I think.
Chad
Lee Haefele wrote:
> Subject: Re: 97up-list-digest V1 #121
> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:19:39 -0700
> From: Lee Haefele
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> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> References:
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> Do all 99 SD gas that have vacuum brake booster (450 & up have hydraulic)
> have an excessively "hard"
brake pedal or is mine defective?
> Is it my mistake, or did Ford brochure avail in Feb advertise all SD
> had "hydro-vac" brakes?
> Is there any industry (or Federal) spec as to how much pedal force
> should be reqd?
> Lee Haefele
>
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:07:27 -0700
From: Joe Zuk
Subject: FTE 97up - Slide in campers on 99s
I have been looking into this because I want to get a camper when my SD250 shows up,
heres what I found. Maybe one of the Ford salesmen around here can correct me if I say
anything wrong.
- - After talking to the local Lance camper dealer the only problem that they have seen so
far has been that the length from the cab roof to the bed floor is about 1in longer now.
He said that they have been building platforms to go under the camper to get around this
problem.
- - The Lance dealer also said that if you are going to use j-hooks (the mounting
brakes
>
that mount onto the truck bed) you need to add a reinforcement bar on the front of the
bed.
- - As for Ford saying you can't put a slide in on an SD350, my dealer says this is lawyer
thing. Ford wants you to buy the camper package and this gives you a slide-in
certification.
One thing that I would like to know is what will this lowering kit do to the truck
overall. Does this just lower the bed? (so that the height from the bed floor to the cab
roof get longer). Or does this just lower the hole truck? Or does it just lower the rear
end of the truck?
Joe
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:09:05 EDT
From: ROBBCWZ aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: FTE 97up-97up questions
I'm like Mike Fairleigh in being surprised about the posters complaints on
driveline issues. I just traded in my well used 97 with the V-6+auto and I
found that driveline to be trouble and vibration free, with none of the
harshness that seems to be expressed by others. The current F150 has the 5.4L
V-8 and, as before, I am finding that to be vibration free also.
Hopefully, for Ford's sake, Mike and I are NOT in the minority here!
Robb
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:33:34 -0700
From: "Jim Spillman"
Subject: FTE 97up - Performance
On two prior occasions, I have asked owners of '99 SD truck with the V-10
Triton to come forth with some experience with fuel consumption. C'mon,
share your findings when driving the truck empty and also when towing.
Specifics about what you are towing would be helpful.
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:52:21 -0400
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Performance
I was talking to a guy yesterday with a V-10 and 3.73 rear end F-250, he
pulls a 4 horse trailer and when loaded he's getting 8 and 9 mpg, running
without the trailer on open road about 12 mpg. Reports pulling power is
good, but thinks with the same load in mountains the 4. something rear would
be a better choice. He hates the outside mirrors as every bump in the road
they move. That's all I have to offer.
Jim Spillman wrote:
> On two prior occasions, I have asked owners of '99 SD truck with the V-10
> Triton to come forth with some experience with fuel consumption.
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:07:07 -0700
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Slide in campers on 99s
I've been looking at putting a lance 3100 on a 99 350 SC SRW 4x4. If you are putting
the camper on a 4x4, the additional item you did not mention was the possible need
for extensions on the jacks. Back in march or April, I heard that Atwood, or one
of the camper jack manufactures was working on a retrofit. If you are using a 2x4,
this should be a non-issue. Your 3 other Lance/99 thruck issues look consistent with
what I've heard.
Ford also has a "camper package guide" (I don't remember the correct title), which is
not always easy to get. This allows you to get the exact weights of each option for
your type of truck to determine the exact payload capabilities of the truck. And the
correct center of gravity point for the truck camper. As an
example, PSD with automatic adds about 500+ lbs to the front axle over the v10.
This guide is *different* than the trailer towing guide.
Air bags, and good shocks may also need to be added to the shopping list.
As for the lowering kit, I hear it lowers the back end of the truck. The bed floor/cab height
distance remains the same. The intent is lower the rear ride height/ bed rail height, to get
additional clearance for 5th
wheel and
similar trailers that can't be raised with axle adjustments/shackles, etc...
Needs to be a minimum clearance of at least 5 inches between the bed rails and bottom
section of the 5th
wheel trailer that rides above the truck bed. This number apperars to
vary among trailer manufactures.
Hope this helps.
- -john
Joe Zuk wrote:
> I have been looking into this because I want to get a camper when my SD250 shows up,
> heres what I found. Maybe one of the Ford salesmen around here can correct me if I say
> anything wrong.
>
> - After talking to the local Lance camper dealer the only problem that they have seen so
> far has been that the length from the cab roof to the bed floor is about 1in longer now.
> He said that they have been building platforms to go under the camper to get around this
> problem.
> - The Lance dealer also said that if you are going to use j-hooks (the mounting
....
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