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offroad-list Digest Sun, 30 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 055

In This Issue:
Re: Steering Problem
Re: Steering Problem
Air bags in the front coils
ADMIN: Web site updates
Re: Steering Problem
TELLICO ANYONE!!!!?????
Re: Steering Problem
Dana 60 Brakes
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From: "Keith Christensen" kendra.com>
Subject: Re: Steering Problem
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:51:27 -0700

Nothing like idiot questions.. but ....

I take it that this is the first time you've spent any appreciable
time with the hubs in since buying it?

A 10 year old vehicle bought used often comes with some 'previous
mistakes' .

Two thoughts come to mind:

1) Front differential gearing is severely different than the rear
.. not uncommon if one of the previous owners had one of the diffs
blow up and put in another one from a junkyardwithout checking the
ratios! (seen this happen, 4.30 front and 3.73 rear... this one was
a bear to drive in anything except severe mud, and even then "not
fun" as the back end kept wanting to get in front!)

2) Front differential's got a frozen or welded spider.. in other
words no differential action. Otherwise known as a "Lincoln Locker"
since the welding box used was most likely a Lincoln brand.


There's other possiblilities, bad spindle bearings that bind and pop
when under load, wishbone bushings, loose steering box mounts..

Even binding hubs could do this.. are they auto or manual hubs?




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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_&_Susan_Ozorio?= cairns.net.au>
Subject: Steering Problem
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 07:40:46 +1000

Well this one has me stumped!

I have a 1990 F150 XLT 5.8, C6 4x4 ...running BFG 35's and a 3 inch
body
lift.

I purchased the vehicle some months back and haven't used it in 4x4
for any
distance until recently.

Now for the problem ... the steering is good on road (after I had a
wheel
> alignment done) and holds straight ahead on flat level sealed road.
It is
also good to steer on good and also corrugated dirt roads in two
wheel
> drive. However if I engage the hubs and put it in 4x4, then it
becomes
uncontrollable. It is impossible to keep it straight, and I consider
it to
be bordering on dangerous to drive. Now for the really STRANGE part!
After I
take it out of 4x4 and disconnect the hubs, it still displays the
uncontrollable wander! I have climbed under and rotated the front
shaft by
hand just to confirm that the hubs and transfer case are disengaged.
This
wandering continues UNTIL I stop and reverse it a couple of metres.
After
that it then becomes good again!

I have owned and driven many types of 4x4 and found that high speed
directional stability can be improved on corrugated surfaces simply
by
running in 4x4, even if the surface is hard packed. Drive train
wind - up
doesn't occur because of the fact that either front or rear wheels
> unload
torque between the corrugations, when in the air!

However this Ford doesn't seem to like being in 4x4, and displays
very
strange steering when asked to do so!

Anyone on this forum got any ideas?

José H Ozorio
Australia



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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 16:57:20 -0700
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
Subject: Re: Steering Problem

The way that he describes the problem dissapearing after he takes it out
of 4x4 and then backs up leads me to believe that he has the electrical
hubs.

" This
wandering continues UNTIL I stop and reverse it a couple of metres.
After
that it then becomes good again!"

Thank god for manually shifted ones....

Adam

Keith Christensen wrote:

> Nothing like idiot questions.. but ....
>
> I take it that this is the first time you've spent any appreciable
> time with the hubs in since buying it?
>
> A 10 year old vehicle bought used often comes with some 'previous
> mistakes' .
>
> Two thoughts come to mind:
>
> 1) Front differential gearing is severely different than the rear
> .. not uncommon if one of the previous owners had one of the diffs
> blow up and put in another one from a junkyardwithout checking the
> ratios! (seen this happen, 4.30 front and 3.73 rear... this one was
> a bear to drive in anything except severe mud, and even then "not
> fun" as the back end kept wanting to get in front!)
>
> 2) Front differential's got a frozen or welded spider.. in other
> words no differential action. Otherwise known as a "Lincoln Locker"
> since the welding box used was most likely a Lincoln brand.
>
> There's other possiblilities, bad spindle bearings that bind and pop
> when under load, wishbone bushings, loose steering box mounts..
>
> Even binding hubs could do this.. are they auto or manual hubs?
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_&_Susan_Ozorio?= cairns.net.au>
> Subject: Steering Problem
> Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 07:40:46 +1000
>
> Well this one has me stumped!
>
> I have a 1990 F150 XLT 5.8, C6 4x4 ...running BFG 35's and a 3 inch
> body
> lift.
>
> I purchased the vehicle some months back and haven't used it in 4x4
> for any
> distance until recently.
>
> Now for the problem ... the steering is good on road (after I had a
> wheel
> > alignment done) and holds straight ahead on flat level sealed road.
> It is
> also good to steer on good and also corrugated dirt roads in two
> wheel
> > drive. However if I engage the hubs and put it in 4x4, then it
> becomes
> uncontrollable. It is impossible to keep it straight, and I consider
> it to
> be bordering on dangerous to drive. Now for the really STRANGE part!
> After I
> take it out of 4x4 and disconnect the hubs, it still displays the
> uncontrollable wander! I have climbed under and rotated the front
> shaft by
> hand just to confirm that the hubs and transfer case are disengaged.
> This
> wandering continues UNTIL I stop and reverse it a couple of metres.
> After
> that it then becomes good again!
>
> I have owned and driven many types of 4x4 and found that high speed
> directional stability can be improved on corrugated surfaces simply
> by
> running in 4x4, even if the surface is hard packed. Drive train
> wind - up
> doesn't occur because of the fact that either front or rear ....

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